MUSGROVE Family History
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006
Do you know of a connection between the Walker Co. MUSGROVE family and the ones who settled in Fayette Co. AL? Members of my family grew up hearing there was a connection but I have never found the link.
I descend from John Tilden MUSGROVE, b. 1793, MD (likely Kent Co.); d. 1875 Fayette Co. AL. He and other members of the family are buried at Musgrove Chapel United Methodist Church, Winfield, Fayette Co. AL. (Winfield city limits extend from Marion Co. AL into northern Fayette Co. AL). Tilden MUSGROVE and his brother, William L. MUSGROVE (b. 1803 MD) moved from Wilkes Co. GA to AL by 1819. They married THOMPSON sisters, daughters of Nathan THOMPSON and his wife, Elizabeth WEAVER.
MUSGROVE FAMILY REUNION, Saturday, Oct. 28, 2006, 11 a.m., Musgrove Chapel United Methodist Church, Winfield, AL.
All allied families are invited including: ASTON, AYCOCK, BISHOP, BLACK, DICKINSON, DODSON, FLYNN, HARRIS, HOWELL, McDONALD, MORTON, MOSS, OTT, PATTERSON, PEDEN, SANDLIN, SCRUGGS, SMITH, SOUTH, STANFORD, THOMPSON, TUTWILER, WEBSTER, WEEKS, WHITE.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 4:15 PM, BigMurph1 Murphy wrote:
Wow, that was fascinating. The daughters of Major Musgrove probably wouldn't have remembered much about there father as he was very ill
when he returned home from the war. Elizabeth Cain Musgrove used to say that the war killed him sure as if he had been run through with a sword or shot by a bullet.
I have heard the saying before about he Musgrove's not being afraid of the Devil himself. If you wouldn't mind, would you copy Breck's Campaign brochure before you send it to the archives - I would love to have a copy to add to my genealogy records.
I have just started going through the Musgrove paperwork that my GG Aunt, Lucille Kitchens Swann, left me in her will. Will let you know if I find anything that you might like to have. With so many lines to work in Walker Co., I started with the immediate lines and am slowly working my way to the others.
I will see what I can find out about the coke ovens and what we can do.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:35 PM
Thank you for your response. I would love to see your records. Are they the same as that of Eve White? A woman named Virginia O'Reiley, send me a reproduced copy of Eve Whites records that were in the Jasper Library. Does anyone know how Eve White was related to the Musgrove's. Virginia was from an unrelated line that settled in Winston Co., AL, after the Civil War, that had earlier lived in DeKalb Co., AL.
The Alabama Archives has old news clippings and other information in the family surname files on the Musgrove families that have been microfilmed. You might want to order this to supplement your information. They must also have similar files on the Cain family as well. In the file, they have where both Rachael Calpernia Musgrove and her sister, Missouri Musgrove Long had filled out forms on family history for their brother L.B. Musgrove. The input by the two sisters is different and show that the sisters did not really know much about their Musgrove line. They were all small children when their father died. They would know only what they mother knew.
While I am thinking about it, I have an original an old election broshure of when Breck Musgrove ran for Congress. It has his picture on it and a lot of conepone good old boy possum eating stuff.
I will probably donate it to the archives or to the Birmingham library since they can protect their collection from theft. Apparently, Jasper cannot offer this type protection.
On Confederate Memorials. I feel the Coke Ovens would not be controversial. There are a very interesting example of early industry in the County. They were interesting to see. I think this would be the best approach to take with the State.
I feel that Alabama should be permitted to hang the Confederate Flag over the State, like a "Six Flags over Georgia" thing. The Confederacy did exist and it is silly to deny it. I don't think we should hang the Battle Flag, beautifil as it is, over the capitol since is denotes to some that we are still carrying on the war. If I were a black person, I would find it offensive as well. Also there where many whites that fought against succession during the Civil War and they might also find it offensive. Many young men right in Walker County were hanged for refusing the draft. Their fathers were against the war because they fought under the American Flag during the War of 1812.
The fact that they produced coke for the Confederacy is an interesting part of their history; however, but I don't see it as a divisional matter. For example. Most of my ancestors at that time fought in the Confederate Army, including my Louis V. Musgrove. He was the first to join his uncle, Captain William Henry Musgrove, aka State Representative and State Senator, when he formed a Confederate Company in Blount Co., AL. (I had only one that I know of who supported the Union).
I believe your Elizabeth McCauley Cain might have been a Sister-in-law to Louis V. Musgrove, when she married the youngest son of Dr. Edward Gordon Musgrove, who was Francis Asbury Musgrove.
I am not sure Dr. Musgrove was Louis' father, only that he was a son of one of the sons of William T. Musgrove. On the 1790 census, Newberry Co., SC, William Musgrove was shown with two sons; however only one of them is known today, John Tate Musgrove who settled in Blount Co., AL.
His other known sons were Dr. Edward Gordon Musgrove, as mentioned, born about 1795 in SC, William Henry Musgrove, who also settled in Blount Co., AL, the only son born in Georgia, then Phillip Trapnell Musgrove who married Rosannah Patton and left with her family for Mississippi. All of the known, but Dr. Edward Gordon Musgrove appear to have their children accounted for.
On the 1830 census in Walker Co., AL, William was shown with two children under 5, a boy and a girl. These were likely grandchildren and one of them could very well have been Louis. Dr. Edward Gordon Musgrove also had unaccounted for children as indicated on the 1830 and 1840 census. All of his sons left home very young and only the youngest, Frances Asberry Musgrove remained.
Louis is known to have appeared in Walker Co., AL, at least by 1852, according to his land record. The 1860 census indicated he had more money than his younger brother, Francis Asbury Musgrove. Whereever he had been earlier, he had made a little money.
It appears both Louis and Francis Asbury Musgrove purchased adjacent land in the Bartonville area. Louis named his oldest son, John Francis Asbury Musgrove who was my great grandfather. Later Louis lived near his Aunt Margaret Musgrove, the only child of William, born during the time the family lived near Old Newport, Cocke Co., TN, had married Lewis Watson Bradley. His aunt, Elizabeth Norris had married John Norris, a stepson of Young Norris. Another aunt, Mary Musgrove, had married in Blount Co., AL, to James McAnally and remained in that county.
During the Civil War, Louis, like the other Musgrove relatives changed commands after Captain William Henry Musgrove died at Camp in Alabama, near Pensacola, FL. Louis V. Musgrove served as a "Waggoner" during the war and was sometimes sent on special missions according to his Muster Rolls. Someone suggested that he delivered supplies to Mississippi, probably to the Jefferson Davis plantation, but I don't know if that was the case.
Louis V. Musgrove did not sign the Loyalty Oath in Walker Co., AL. I wish he had, then I would know his birthday and the exact place in Alabama where he was born.
Louis died after the 1880 census which showed both of his parents were born in South Carolina so he was definitely from this group. I have no idea where he and his wife, Vilinda Ganey were buried, possibly in unmaried graves in the Tucker Cemetery where his Vilinda's brother, Luther Robinson Ganey was buried. I am descended from his oldest son, John Francis Asberry Musgrove, a peddler, who married Frances Arminta Lee Wakefield. When John deserted his family, Elizabeth Cain Musgrove's son, Lycurgus Breckinridge, "Breck" Musgrove came to their assistance. He continued to lend assistance to John's family, even through the grandchildren. I think there is a special reason that Elizabeth Cain Musgrove left out Louis V. Musgrove's family in her history. Although the daughters of Louis and Vilinda turned out well, there were problems with their three sons, The oldest, John, deserted his family, as mentioned, and the two youngest sons, of Lewis, Oliver Vedford, "Odford" or "Odfrey" and Dorman Larkin Musgrove left home shortly after the 1880 census, ages 15 and 13. Word got back that they were hanged "out west" for stealing a horse. The second son, I have not been able to trace either.
Jasper Musgrove, the oldest son of John and Frances Arminta Lee Wakefield, was on the 1900 Census in Jasper Walker Co., AL, in jail, where he and another young railroad worker were probably awaiting trial for alledged killing a first cousin, a Wakefield, over an argument. Jasper thought the Wakefield family had some responsibility in driving his father away when he tried to persuade Frances to take him back. Jasper's son, Carl Pender Musgrove, lived with Breck Musgrove several years and he sent him to law school at the University of Alabama. He also helped finance Jasper's nephews in attending law school. They were William Berthel Strickland and Donald Wilburn Musgrove, my father's two older brothers. Donald considered it a loan and paid Breck back.
Anyway, with Breck's political career in full swing and authors of books like "Who's who" inquiring, the relationship of the family to my branch wouldn't look too good to Elizabeth Cain and her family.
Although the heavily edited family history mention the Rev.. Phillip McCarty Musgrove and his family (He was the oldest son of the known oldest son, John Tate Musgrove.) It was left out that Phillip's son, John White Musgrove was reported as among the solders that fled the scene of a battle and was apparently killed by Hanna, their Captain.
They did mention the brother, Bushrod William Musgrove, who left in 1840 for Texas. He was safely far away and by then deceased. Bushrod was also a Confederate Soldier in Texas. He was also a gambler and became super rich and an industrialist before the war. Impoverished like most others by the war, he later was primarily a rancher and was driving his cattle across land that had suffered a drought when he came to a waterhole that was guarded. The man refused to permit him to water his cattle saying he was saving it for the townspeople. Bushrod shot and killed him. Sometime afterwards Bushrod was found dead in a pond and he had been tied up in a tow sack.
I am neither proud or unproud of my ancestors but I am facinated by them. I try to discover all I can, good and bad to round them out as people. I find the Musgroves the more facinating of my lines because they made more waves than most. By doing so, I can find out more about them besides census and land records, etc. Court records are full of their adventures and misadventures. This might be why so many court house fires took place around where they lived. Ha. My father said the Musgroves were fearless and wouldn't be afaid of the devil himself if he popped up in the road in front of them.
Ann Strickland Grainger
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From: "R.A. MacLaine"
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:17 PM
Here is a CSA solider from Jasper Al he is my great uncle.
BigMurph1 wrote: I wholeheartedly agree, if they can be located. But the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy have been battling with Montgomery just to save the monuments and markers that still exist and to keep our Holidays from being forgotten.
The Monument to Walker Co.'s brave Confederate Soldiers that sits in front of the courthouse in Jasper was erected because of the efforts of my Great Great Aunt, Elizabeth Cain Musgrove. She went door to door to raise funds for this beautiful monument and even accepted monetary donations from "Yankee Visitors" passing through the city. Now the City won't allow the Confederate Flag to be flown at the monument except for one day - Confederate Memorial Day!
As I inherited all of My great Aunt's Genealogical research, I will go through and see if there is any mention of the Coke Ovens. She does mention the raids and destruction of Jasper and the surrounding area, with the burning of the courthouse and several churches including the Church that my Great Great Great Grandfather (James Matlock Kitchens Sr.) pastored.
My heritage runs deep in Walker Co. as I am descended from the Kitchens, Cain's, Sanders, Files, Chamblee's, Brown's and several others. I will contact my good friends who are the State Commander of the SCV (Sons Confederate Veterans) and the Chapter President of the Jasper United Daughters of the Confederacy and see if we can locate these Coke Ovens.
Karen Kitchens Murphy
Proud Descendent of Walker Co. Families
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From: Ann S. Grainger
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:03 AM
I mentioned the old Coke Ovens in Jasper sometime ago, wondering how old they were. I think they were built during the Civil War; and, I think it was mentioned in Ames history on coal and iron that coke was made in Jasper during the Civil War. If the ovens haven't been bulldozed, I think the County should develop this into a Civil War tourist site. Does anyone know if they can still be seen? I remember that there were several of them in a row, made of brick and recessed into an embankment. The area was called "Coke Oven Hill" in my youth. I think the State has an archchology department. If they can still be seen, the Historical Society and Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy in Walker County, Alabama, should take this on as one of their projects to see if the State and County would fund this.
Ann S. Grainger
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From: "BigMurph1 Murphy"
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 2:31 AM
Yes, I was introduced to the "Townley Rest Stop" by Commander Leonard Wilson, of the Alabama Sons of Confederate Veterans. He lives in Townley, and we were in the area to mark some graves of Confederate Veterans. He just couldn't resist "Getting Our Goat"!
Karen Kitchens Murphy
Descendent of Several Walker Co. Families
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh, and for a funny photo op they HAVE to the Townley rest stop! All my out of town relatives get a kick out of posing for pictures to take home!